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	<description>Time to stop breaking the news, and start fixing it.*</description>
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		<title>By: mthomps00</title>
		<link>http://www.newsless.org/2009/01/inverting-the-business-model-question/comment-page-1/#comment-308</link>
		<dc:creator>mthomps00</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment, Robert. I think your post on Metaprinter illustrates what I mean. We all agree on several basics:  
 
* Newspapers were very lucrative for quite a while there. 
* Newspapers are expensive to run. 
* Editorial payroll composes a fraction of that expense. 
* Online advertising revenues per visitor provide a miniscule sum compared to print advertising revenues per subscriber. 
* &quot;Unique visitors&quot; are really nothing like &quot;print subscribers.&quot; 
 
Given those basics, it&#039;s very difficult to take a newspaper&#039;s massive P&amp;L and imagine how you scale it down to an online operation.  
  
My point is that I think it makes more sense to build the business plan for an online operation (or a network of online operations) from the ground up, rather than attempting to map online revenues to a deconstructed newspaper P&amp;L. This might mean you&#039;d examine each of the beats/topics/niches the operation would strive to cover, and you&#039;d ask questions like, &quot;How big or how engaged of an audience might we need to support coverage on this beat? What funding models might we use to support it?&quot;  
  
It might become apparent from a perusal of the posts here that I&#039;m not exactly bullish on general-interest news myself. I think the value online will be found primarily in the niches -- i.e. devoted communities on specific topics. I think the sustainable news operation of tomorrow will involve a network of these communities. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment, Robert. I think your post on Metaprinter illustrates what I mean. We all agree on several basics:  </p>
<p>* Newspapers were very lucrative for quite a while there.<br />
* Newspapers are expensive to run.<br />
* Editorial payroll composes a fraction of that expense.<br />
* Online advertising revenues per visitor provide a miniscule sum compared to print advertising revenues per subscriber.<br />
* &quot;Unique visitors&quot; are really nothing like &quot;print subscribers.&quot; </p>
<p>Given those basics, it&#39;s very difficult to take a newspaper&#39;s massive P&amp;L and imagine how you scale it down to an online operation.  </p>
<p>My point is that I think it makes more sense to build the business plan for an online operation (or a network of online operations) from the ground up, rather than attempting to map online revenues to a deconstructed newspaper P&amp;L. This might mean you&#39;d examine each of the beats/topics/niches the operation would strive to cover, and you&#39;d ask questions like, &quot;How big or how engaged of an audience might we need to support coverage on this beat? What funding models might we use to support it?&quot;  </p>
<p>It might become apparent from a perusal of the posts here that I&#39;m not exactly bullish on general-interest news myself. I think the value online will be found primarily in the niches &#8212; i.e. devoted communities on specific topics. I think the sustainable news operation of tomorrow will involve a network of these communities.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Josefowicz</title>
		<link>http://www.newsless.org/2009/01/inverting-the-business-model-question/comment-page-1/#comment-312</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Josefowicz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought folks might find this link useful. To be clear  I&#039;m get no comp from PBwiki. 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://pbwiki.com/content/legal-case-management&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://pbwiki.com/content/legal-case-management&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought folks might find this link useful. To be clear  I&#039;m get no comp from PBwiki.<br />
<a href="http://pbwiki.com/content/legal-case-management" target="_blank">http://pbwiki.com/content/legal-case-management</a></p>
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		<title>By: robert ivan</title>
		<link>http://www.newsless.org/2009/01/inverting-the-business-model-question/comment-page-1/#comment-311</link>
		<dc:creator>robert ivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just got an email saying, &quot;intense debate notification&quot;.  I was expecting a sh!t storm on here when I arrived.   Glad to see all i did was juice the dialog along. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got an email saying, &quot;intense debate notification&quot;.  I was expecting a sh!t storm on here when I arrived.   Glad to see all i did was juice the dialog along.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Josefowicz</title>
		<link>http://www.newsless.org/2009/01/inverting-the-business-model-question/comment-page-1/#comment-310</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Josefowicz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;ve hit on a path forward..&quot;I think the value online will be found primarily in the niches -- i.e. devoted communities on specific topics. I think the sustainable news operation of tomorrow will involve a network of these communities.&quot; 
 
Next job is what are those communities for any locality. Consider that the number of active &quot;fans&quot; can be very low to start. But better 15 loyal fans than 1500 who sort of care.   I think that was one of the lessons of Obama&#039;s campaign. Don&#039;t waste time trying to convert. Spend all your resources on connecting the converted. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#039;ve hit on a path forward..&quot;I think the value online will be found primarily in the niches &#8212; i.e. devoted communities on specific topics. I think the sustainable news operation of tomorrow will involve a network of these communities.&quot; </p>
<p>Next job is what are those communities for any locality. Consider that the number of active &quot;fans&quot; can be very low to start. But better 15 loyal fans than 1500 who sort of care.   I think that was one of the lessons of Obama&#039;s campaign. Don&#039;t waste time trying to convert. Spend all your resources on connecting the converted.</p>
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		<title>By: mthomps00</title>
		<link>http://www.newsless.org/2009/01/inverting-the-business-model-question/comment-page-1/#comment-309</link>
		<dc:creator>mthomps00</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m watching your experiment with great interest, Chuck. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m watching your experiment with great interest, Chuck.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Josefowicz</title>
		<link>http://www.newsless.org/2009/01/inverting-the-business-model-question/comment-page-1/#comment-307</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Josefowicz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ robert, sorry for robin. fingers faster than brain. my apologies. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ robert, sorry for robin. fingers faster than brain. my apologies.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Josefowicz</title>
		<link>http://www.newsless.org/2009/01/inverting-the-business-model-question/comment-page-1/#comment-295</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Josefowicz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ robin, 
thank you for the links. I&#039; look forward to reading them after this post.. I agree that General Interest news is unsustainable and banner ads are a non starter. Even before I read why that&#039;s true. 
 
 But, niche publications for &quot;fans&quot; can be sustained.  And sometimes the niches can actually be quite large.  Imagine paperback books or newspapers focused on Science, Economics, Global Poltics and sold to K-12 to replace textbooks. Recent advances in Print tech make these products scalable. Tied to an XML content management system.maybe living in a wiki format, once an audience is identified Print products could be produced with previously unimaginable turn around times.    
 
A natural niche are physical communities, especially in not major metro areas.  I&#039;m trying to get these ideas mainstream at my blog at &lt;a href=&quot;http://sellingprint.blogspot.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://sellingprint.blogspot.com&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ robin,<br />
thank you for the links. I&#039; look forward to reading them after this post.. I agree that General Interest news is unsustainable and banner ads are a non starter. Even before I read why that&#039;s true. </p>
<p> But, niche publications for &quot;fans&quot; can be sustained.  And sometimes the niches can actually be quite large.  Imagine paperback books or newspapers focused on Science, Economics, Global Poltics and sold to K-12 to replace textbooks. Recent advances in Print tech make these products scalable. Tied to an XML content management system.maybe living in a wiki format, once an audience is identified Print products could be produced with previously unimaginable turn around times.    </p>
<p>A natural niche are physical communities, especially in not major metro areas.  I&#039;m trying to get these ideas mainstream at my blog at <a href="http://sellingprint.blogspot.com" target="_blank">http://sellingprint.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: robert ivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert ivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@michael 
The Fundamental Problem of Newspaper Websites - The Krugman Paradox  and then my MA thesis explain how general interest news sites are economically unsustainable and talks more about the failure of display advertising, read more here:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://metaprinter.com/?p=1075&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://metaprinter.com/?p=1075&lt;/a&gt;
 
As far as &quot;inverting the business model&quot; I&#039;m not quite sure what you mean.  Are bloggers inverted business models?  Are newspapers that cut costs and newsroom sizes until they have &quot;few individuals creating enough value to be supported&quot; an inverted business model?  I&#039;m sure you have a better explanation or example to provide.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@michael<br />
The Fundamental Problem of Newspaper Websites &#8211; The Krugman Paradox  and then my MA thesis explain how general interest news sites are economically unsustainable and talks more about the failure of display advertising, read more here:  <a href="http://metaprinter.com/?p=1075" target="_blank">http://metaprinter.com/?p=1075</a></p>
<p>As far as &quot;inverting the business model&quot; I&#039;m not quite sure what you mean.  Are bloggers inverted business models?  Are newspapers that cut costs and newsroom sizes until they have &quot;few individuals creating enough value to be supported&quot; an inverted business model?  I&#039;m sure you have a better explanation or example to provide.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Josefowicz</title>
		<link>http://www.newsless.org/2009/01/inverting-the-business-model-question/comment-page-1/#comment-285</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Josefowicz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it might be helpful to consider two points. 1. Focusing on CPM or advertising as the primary revenue stream may turn out to be a blind alley. 2.  My impressions is that one way to describe the culture of the web is &quot;Read for free. Pay for Print.&quot; Consider the New Yorker magazine. My impression is that they are doing just fine.  This might imply some serious thought about innovating Print products that could be sold directly to your readers. The recent improvements in the print process change the old rules about what is possible, how long it takes and how much it costs. POD is just the tip of the iceberg. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it might be helpful to consider two points. 1. Focusing on CPM or advertising as the primary revenue stream may turn out to be a blind alley. 2.  My impressions is that one way to describe the culture of the web is &quot;Read for free. Pay for Print.&quot; Consider the New Yorker magazine. My impression is that they are doing just fine.  This might imply some serious thought about innovating Print products that could be sold directly to your readers. The recent improvements in the print process change the old rules about what is possible, how long it takes and how much it costs. POD is just the tip of the iceberg.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Kelleher</title>
		<link>http://www.newsless.org/2009/01/inverting-the-business-model-question/comment-page-1/#comment-282</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Kelleher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 09:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, I transcribed that from my notes, so I&#039;m glad it captured what you meant. Seems to me you were pretty articulate, though, even on the subject of video games. :-) Kevin </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, I transcribed that from my notes, so I&#039;m glad it captured what you meant. Seems to me you were pretty articulate, though, even on the subject of video games. <img src='http://www.newsless.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Kevin</p>
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